Podcast Episode: 0243 |
Ever wondered if your car might be a lemon in disguise? Join host, Everett Jay, as he takes you on a journey through the automotive worlds undelightful side with both experiences and information which could help you out. Knowledge is power, and this episode arms you with the information necessary to make confident car-buying decisions. So, join us as we navigate the world of automotive lemons, to see why they too, can lead a sour taste in your mouth. |
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The AutoLooks podcast is brought to you by Ecomm Entertainment Group and distributed by PodBean.com. If you'd like to get in touch with us, send us an email over at email at AutoLooks.net. So, like I said in the beginning, lemons yeah, we all pucker up that first time we try it. I remember when I got both of my kids to try lemon for the first time, my son immediate reaction my daughter took a little bit longer. It, my daughter took a little bit longer. It's almost like it had to hit the back of her throat before she finally realized this is sour and just like the actual fruit. The automotive world can leave a sour taste in your mind. Yes, automotive lemons.
I did this for a whole bunch of vehicles that I own and it's funny because back in the day when I used to own you know big beast, the Kia Borrego, I put it on there and since it was only sold in North America for one year, there was never any issues on it. So, limited production vehicles, you can't find out a lot of bad problems with it. But while looking for a vehicle, even used, I can go through and find out all the major issues. That's how I knew when I bought my RAV4, I bought it the second year it comes out. Usually, I wait until the third because I knew they just installed the new eight-speed transmission. If you know anything about the new eight-speed transmission from Toyota, they've been having a lot of issues when they put in the new vehicles. It's kind of become the lemon transmission of Toyota. They don't really like to talk about it, but it is there. The first year they put it in the RAV4, 2019, problems Like literally car complaints, had this thing marked as a clunker and a stay away from.
They even put that up in their top corner. You know they have the good rating, they have their clunker and then they have, like you know, avoid like the plague. Okay, they tell you which vehicles to not touch. Now I remember when I was looking for my new truck. I go on and I'd sometimes see some of these used vehicles and then I saw this really low mileage Dodge Ram 1500. I'm going through them like why it's low mileage but it's dirt cheap? There's got to be a catch. I'd run it through car complaints, check it out through the lemonade guide and bam, the year I was looking at was the most problematic one of all of them and essentially it was tagged avoid like the plague. There were so many issues with it.
Had they had the internet as big as it is now, back in the 1980s my dad could have avoided this when he owned a Renault Alliance. He got it just after AMC went bankrupt. But they had an issue with it and he brought it to the Renault dealership complaining about this thing, losing oil and having major issues with the head gaskets. And the mechanic at Renault even told him we know it's an issue; we can't fix it. They could not figure out how to fix those Renault 5s and Renault Alliances that literally just blew up. My dad managed to unload the car before he got into major issues, but at the time he was just starting to get back to work, so finances were still tight and he bought a vehicle that literally the car company said it's a hunk of junk and we can't fix it.
That is a dedicated lemon product and lemon products have been around for a long time. One of the biggest issues running from the 50s all the way up until the 80s was rust. Chrysler and Dodge products were prone to this, like massively prone to this. It's a whole reason why the roots group which is originally this is going to be kind of funny. Here's a little backstory. The roots group was essentially Chrysler of Europe, which they purchased from Peugeot kind of funny, because Peugeot now owns them. So, you know the table's kind of turned on that one. But the roots group was brought out and they had products from like Humber and they were horrible. Plymouth sent out this product called the Plymouth Cricket Neat looking vehicle, kind of Americanized for the European marketplace. So, it's an Americanized design for a small vehicle market. So, it wasn't this big, massive boat that we had over in the United States, no, it was a small, compact vehicle on the other side of the planet. So, it was fitting for their market. Unfortunately, when people started getting these vehicles they realized very quickly, usually within 12 to 18 months, that they were rusting out.
Highways all across the province of Ontario still utilize more salt than sand. They try and put it all together as a brine system, but it essentially has more salt in it which is corrosive to your vehicle. That's the reason why when you get off the highway, your vehicle is white. Even my truck that is white, looks even whiter than it originally was. That's because of a little salt they put on the road. My home city used to put tons and tons of salt on the road. Seriously, if it snowed in the morning, within three hours the roads were already back down the pavement. There was so much salt on them. By the time it got warm and the roads dried out. They weren't black, they weren't gray, they were almost the color of the snow. There was so much salt.
This became an issue in the 1970s, when we're still utilizing standard steel. A lot of companies hadn't gotten into galvanizing or even utilizing stainless steel in any of the undercarriage parts of their vehicles. People were doing it, but not to the scale they are today, and Chrysler realized this major issue. Essentially, it caused the entire collapse of the roots groups because everybody saw these vehicles as lemons. They would start rotting out. And before your warranty even ran up, some of them would rot out. But they would just say it's normal wear and tear, I'm sorry, you're just driving in salty conditions, you need to wash your car more, not realizing that it's their issue. Years later they realized oh, maybe if we galvanized it wouldn't have had so many issues and it wouldn't have rotted out. That was our problem and that was a major lemon factor.
Rust is a big part. Like I said in the original intro, cars 2, mater is covered in rust. He's not essentially of lemon because of his age you got to remember. He goes all the way back to like the 1950s as a tow truck. So, for him in today's world, he naturally would have a little bit of rust, even though he lives in a desert. Eventually time will hit him, he will lose his paint and he will start to rust. But vehicles that rust super quickly, that's just a dedicated lemon, similar to my dad's alliance.
I ran into this problem with my Suzuki Once I hit about 125,000 kilometers. My Suzuki SX4 actually has two oil pans in it. It has your standard oil pan at the bottom of your vehicle, but it also has a drip pan at the top. Now there's a seal around the drip pan and when it starts to go, you literally got to pull the whole engine out and replace the seal. Now I own that seal. It cost me $12, but to pull the whole motor out and half of it apart just to change that one seal can run me at a mechanic shop close to $5,000. But at 125,000 kilometers and being a 2007, By the time I hit that, my son was four years old, so we're talking it's 2016. And this is long past its date.
But this is a problem that even Suzuki mechanics knew of. They knew that there was a pressure switch behind your oil filter which could leak. That one is easy to change out. It's about $8. You can change it out when you do an oil change. The other one is the upper seal. When that one goes, it's a big job. This puts the SX4 into lemon territory Because even though it's past the prime of the vehicle, where standard automobile cars are made to last 250,000 kilometers before they finally go, this is at 125,000 kilometers. I'm halfway through its life expectancy. Doesn't matter that the car was almost 10 years old, I'm only halfway through its life expectancy and I'm losing my seals.
Chevrolet knew this was a major issue but never put a recall out on it because by the time they realized the head gaskets were going to be going, it was either past the warranty, where the used car market could just figure it out, because once a vehicle hits the used car market the initial production company doesn't have to worry about it anymore. So, when you're buying a vehicle in the used car market and you want to go onto the lemonade book and start bitching about your five-year-old freaking Chevrolet that just blew a head gasket, they're just like. You know what. Our warranty only goes for four years and 100,000 kilometers. And you're 150,000 kilometers and it's five years. You're past the warranty; you're past the life expectancy that our coverage is going to cover you for. So, they don't care. Once it hits a used car market, it's up for grabs. If major issues start happening, they don't care unless it becomes a safety factor, kind of like the ignition.
My Malibu actually got recalled for that whole ignition fiasco back in teen years. Funny thing is the recall never came in until after my car was actually junked. But because none of the ownership or anything else was ever changed over and it was just parts, it was literally about four times before I literally called General Motors and said I don't own the car anymore. Like I junked the thing because it was such a piece of crap. It brought it out underneath, which means the unibody was slowly cracking, my brake lines and my fuel lines were about to burst. I owned the vehicle for about a year and a half and every three months it was in the shop, costing me about five or $600. Like it was the biggest piece of crap ever. Every single little part just failed on it and it was annoying. But it was a used car market.
I could say I'm never going to buy a Chevrolet again. But was it their problem? They knew about these problems later on in life, but it was past the year of expiration, so they don't care. That's like having a refrigerator in your house that's 50 years old and you call up the company and bitch and complain about your condenser blowing up on you in the middle of the night. They're going to be like we'll buy it from you. Since you've had it for 50 years. Every single one of those died out, like 20 years ago. Don't bitch to us. That's what car companies get into. The Journeys were famous for this as well. Same with the Dodge Darts Usually a lot of North American products that have had gasket issues because they use such cheap products for their head gasket seals.
It's cheap and easy to change them out on most of their vehicles. But most people don't know that. My brother-in-law had a Dodge Journey and I'm surprised his head gasket didn't blow up, but they hardly ever drove it. He literally drove the thing into the ground within five years and when he dropped it off at the dealership to get his new vehicle it died on the way. It was overheating and everything. I'm like your head gasket's about to blow. He's like oh no, no, they told me it was fine.
I'm like you're listening to a mechanic or the automotive guy that researches the entire car industry. The mechanic doesn't care, because when your head gasket blows, he's going to make more money off of you. Because you just go to some general person, they really don't give a crap about you. I have a dedicated mechanic that I only deal with, so they know me and they know my vehicles. Something if you're buying vehicles in the used car market, is to find yourself a trustworthy mechanic, somebody that's not going to try and overcharge you constantly. And when you look into these issues and call them out on it, some of these people will start to understand you know a little bit more about your vehicle than the average person, so you can't screw you over.
It's a great thing to know, but in all reality, how do a lot of these vehicles make it out of the production? Don't they test them? Don't they run them through tons and tons of miles to see how long they would go? Well, they do. But a lot of these things are only tested between 15 to 20 000 kilometers. Essentially, that's the break-in period for a vehicle. Our RAV because it was a demo vehicle had 6 000 kilometers on it, so when I bought it, I had to break in my transmission and everything else in it. Even though it had gotten used to other drivers, it hadn't been broken in yet and that's what you need to do so them testing these things out. It's like it won't fail within the breakdown period. Some car companies go as far as testing them to over a hundred thousand kilometers, but even still it doesn't give you the proper peace of mind knowing that it's going to last.
Today's standards are a little bit more different because we're now starting to transition to a new power source, whether it be electric or hydrogen. So now our standards have to be retracted and because of that and because of such a shift in the change of vehicles, our quality has actually gone downhill, if you've noticed, in the past couple of years even some famous companies that had true good built quality vehicles have slid downhill. Toyotas had a few recalls. Ford was doing good back in the days it used to partner up with Mazda. Now it's a car company that does one of the highest number of recalls in the entire world Like really. But recalls, like I said, are usually because of safety issues or a major expense. If your transmission on your brand-new vehicle blows up in 15,000 kilometers, well you better know that the car company better be replacing that, because it doesn't even pass national standards for those products where they're supposed to last well over 150,000 kilometers. So, a recall is issued. But some vehicles still manage to get past this, and I actually have one in my garage.
My Rio has aluminum door locks on it. Aluminum is against the law to put as a door lock material in Canada and the United States. So, to remedy this issue, because Kia don't want to spend extra money on going with the galvanized steel lock, they decided that all dealerships are going to have to put a rubber seal behind it to keep water from getting in and destroying them. My car never had that done, so essentially, the door locks are basically all crapped out on my crappy car and I actually went after the dealership for them. I had them replaced once, but now they're going again because they replaced them with dedicated Kia parts which are aluminum again and I said are you getting me proper galvanized? Oh yeah, we are. They even wrote it on my piece of paper, but by the time I realized it was years down the road, so they refused to replace my locks. Now, even though Kia broke the law by putting a crappy thing, so that classifies my Rio door locks as a lemon issue.
They have so many wires in so many different places that things go that you literally have to be an electrical engineer to figure it out, a regular mechanic. It's far surpassing what they even know, even if they do electronics. It's kind of like pulling the engine out of a Ford Mustang or pulling the engine out of a Honda Civic. All the electrical that leaves the engine bay going into the cabin of your vehicle all goes through a central electronics port Unplug it, pull the engine. If you're pulling the engine out of a Mustang, you literally have to chase every single wire around in the hood because not every single one of them goes to a central point. There's a lot of them centralized, but not all of them. So, you go to pull the engine out. Oh, there's another cable. Oh, there's another one, oh there's another one. It's kind of like German cars, but German vehicles manage to surpass their warranties. So, by the time the electrical issues start it's when they're on the used car market.
Now you may think this is a good thing, because you ever notice you don't see a lot of older German luxury cars out there. Well, there's a reason for that. With all the electrical issues, nobody wants to buy them and try and fight through all of those major issues to keep them on the road, so most people just wind up junking them, which makes it appear that everybody just trades up and gets new vehicles. Well, that's not the case. There's none of them on the used car market, which means you'll never find them. You know, sitting in front of a trailer at a trailer park being run down. That's good for your image of your cars, but it's bad because then people start to wonder why aren't there more of them around? I see older Cadillacs and Lincolns and Lexus. They're all out there. Why don't I see any of the German luxury makes?
And then you find out their major electrical issues. It causes a major lemon portion to them. Like, seriously, go out Next time you're getting work done. Ask your mechanic what is the worst car you've ever worked on, and watch how many of them will say either BMW, Mercedes or Audi, yeah. And then you ask them okay, well, what's the major issue that you always, see? 90% of them will always say electrical. When electrical starts going, that's it. It's kind of like the Audi S4. When your quattro system goes, it's a fortune to replace it, only because of the labor that goes into pulling it out and putting a new one in, because of all the wires, all the connections and all the things that you can break, taking it out and putting it in For.
Another great thing about it I owned the V6. There was also a V8 Kia Borrego yes, a Kia with a V8 engine in North America. Funny. Funny thing is it wasn't that much bigger than the v6 and displacement size. It was a little bit better for towing compared to the v6 and that was about it. But you'd suck gas faster and because it was a brand new engine, most of them started failing in under 80 000 kilometers, so much so that they were lucky they pulled the vehicle from the market that they didn't have to do a recall on them, because any of them that were still left, literally when that got into the major issue, if it was under warranty, Kia just bought the vehicle back and said we'll refund you. Here you go, not full refund, but it was such an issue. That's why you don't hear about it in Lemonade magazine or car complaints is because they literally got rid of the problem before it became a bigger problem.
Yugo’s who in North America remembers Yugo’s? A cheap, efficient vehicle built in Yugoslavia. It was made to put them on wheels, but then they imported them into North America. And you know who imported them, Malcolm Bricklin. Yeah, the man behind the Bricklin SV-1. He brought Yugo. He also brought Subaru here too, but you never hear about that they were cheap, inexpensive vehicles, and that's where a lot of build quality vehicles come from. It's the cheap, inexpensive vehicles. These small car companies want to make a name for themselves, so they shovel these vehicles out.
In North America we had such a huge market we just became complacent in it. We build lemon-style vehicles. We'll just pull them off the marketplace and just let the resale market figure it out. That mentality in North America has literally led to the Lemonade Guide so that people understand what vehicles are crappy and should avoid. Because, as Cars 2 said to us, long live lemons, when the lemons fought back and showed the world that they could rise against them.
Yes, the lemon vehicles the ones you buy and constantly have to repair constantly have issues. They're lemons. I have an uncle that until he got his CRV and he was probably in his 50s before he ever got it, he was so prone to getting lemons he hated so many car companies out there. My dad bought cars from the same company as his brother and he loved them. Lemons can throw people off from buying from a car company. They could cost you a fortune and sometimes the lemons could be so bad it could lead to a recall, like the exploding Pintos. How many people look at those now and go, hey, that's a pretty cool old school classic car, not realizing the damn thing blew up. Same with the Corvair the wheel's tucked under and you roll over. It's an issue Made it a lemon, a lemon Product you need to avoid because it leaves a sour, bitter aftertaste in your mouth, and everyone knows someone who has owned a lemon car. Well, I've had my fair share of them too.
Let's just say, doing proper research will help you stay away from lemons, unless you like lemon in your water. So how many lemons have you owned in your life? Tell me about some of the vehicles that you hated. Who gave you a bad aftertaste for that specific car company? Have you run into some of the issues like rust and oil consumption, fuel line breakage, build quality, technology issues, electrical issues? I ran into that with my CX-9 at the end Started costing me a fortune to figure it out. Luckily, I got hit and that was the end of that.
All vehicles have their problems, but some of them could just plain outright be avoided and that is why the AutoLooks.net website has so many pages and so many links to help you avoid getting a bad design and a bad car All from the AutoLooks.net website. The AutoLooks podcast is brought to you by Ecomm Entertainment Group and distributed by PodBean.com. If you'd like to get in touch with us, send us an email over at AutoLooks.net. So, for myself, Everett Jay, the AutoLooks.net website and the e-com entertainment group, strap yourself in for this one fun wild ride that these bitter lemons are unfortunately going to take us on. Thank you.
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